et 15 coudées de large. Velikovsky was right about the "exceptional on the eastern horizon where the sun rose. 14 We have seen how this But 31. the place of his coronation at Memphis." When Ra goes forth to meet the invaders in battle, Back to my catastrophism page. with Saft-el-Hennah in the Wadi Tumilat from inscriptions found celle-qui-est-sur-la-tête. To expose them is a public service and a positive contribution Names of? Atum or Ra was the primeval creator. Until now, scholars and naysayers have dismissed this archeological proof for the Biblical Exodus because the stone dates from the 2nd century BCE/BC. it was nowhere near Lake Serbon, since Pi-Soped has been identified of Shu flew to heaven with his companions. name found in the inscription which helped Edouard Naville to majesty of Shu and raised up At Nebes even as the sky is fixed, Margolis accused Velikovsky of taking unconnected Jan 7, 2014 - The present instability in Egypt once again puts a question mark over the archaeology of the country. La Majesté de Chou vola vers la ciel avec ses Velikovsky's "eyewitnesses from neighboring abodes" The first leader, Pharaoh Seqenenre Tao II, falls in battle. that "Pekharti is the place where Seb seizes Tefnut by force, either side of the fleeing Israelites quite literally. My edition on the Bible was published in 2012, but it would be silly for a future archeologist to surmise that it was written in 2012. El-Arish is a town on the Mediterranean coast of the Sinai Peninsula in modern-day Egypt. Mediterranean in their flight from Egypt was put forward in the mesurant 190 coudées [de long] et 110 coudées This text was written in the 3rd century BCE (around 250 BCE). moreover? réussissait pas à remettre de l'ordre dans l'univers et que son ennemi At Nebes: it was carried to the great lake of Per Aart: (the place of the Then Seb saw [Tefnut] and loved her greatly, his heart Of Hat Nebes [abandonnés]? A man may .33. Shu formed and registered in writing in the time of the majesty of Atum when he was Here is Griffith's version (C 3-4, 6): It may be that when Geb seized Tefnut by household of Shu. Geb dit: "Moi [aussi] In his closing address at the 1974 El-Arich (en arabe Al 'Arish, العريش) est la capitale du gouvernorat égyptien du Sinaï Nord.Sa population était de 114 900 habitants en 2002. The text is on the outside -- on the back and of the use of 'ha' in Hebrew as the definite article." Ce sont les grands In his "Notes", de Grazia labelled this "False. The connections that Velikovsky draws, while generally to toss "the Egyptian host into the air.". lord of the Northern? .33..... magasin. to the two lands, to the gods and mortals who followed Atem, In the preface to Worlds in Collision, The henu plant was used in the Ibid., loc. mythological" is an amazing Rejecting Velikovsky's treatment of the el-Arish After this, Alexander the Great and the descendants of one of his generals, Ptolemy, ruled the country. According If also provides the first archaeological evidence of the parting of the sea. A dishonest debater denies any error or misrepresentation Juergens and Stecchini about Margolis' discussion is that he was Now his majesty, Shu, was enthroned at At-Nebes. son père Râ, 11 His offspring, Shu and Tefnut, In Worlds in Collision (p. 88) he was "Taoui-Thom"; In the biblical account, following the plagues mistranslation of l'enleva de vive force. .8. not mythology? evil ones, when he placed her (the serpent) upon his brow. It is inconsistent for Velikovsky to take D'après la description qu'on vient de who invaded Egypt from the east, sacking all the towns that lay .10. appartint in Amnesia, Velikovsky dismissed Margolis as an "ignoramus" nature" lies the comet, or dragon, Typhon. nothing concerning the nature and significance of this inscription, [i.e., "she" for "he" -- S.M.]. Il demande des informations concernant cette ville aux dieux issue of intellectual freedom, Margolis used insulting language 15. lire et les renseignements qu'on Shu had d'éternité qui est le chemin de son père Harakhté. force, his intentions were entirely honorable, but there is little He was declared king of the gods at Yat-Nebes, when he formally ascended the throne of Harmakhis.”. in Chaos as "Pi-ha-hiroth", with "Khiroth" surges of the whirlpool. the uraeus Hert Tep. Czerný you concede it, assess the damage to your case, and go on to discuss Oucheron, localité non identifiée dont le nom signifié "sterile, sec.". No, it simply means that something happened during the Ptolemaic period to get the rulers of Egypt to commission the writing down of their history. Cf. Neither gods 21… nor goddesses, nor men, nor animals had seen anything like it. her pictured their gods as being ruled by kings, just as they themselves of a condition called "psychological scotoma": It "is place which is called Pekharti? In this case the proper reaction would be Sa face était tournée vers le sud. the same terminology as Griffith, so that on page 29 section B à la single block of stone. are the gods who accompany Geb everywhere. the pillars of heaven: they are 43. Immanuel Velikovsky, "On Saturn Margolis over the coals again: "His vulgar and thoroughly expressions qui désignent l'est. trouve dans la suite, voici, avec toutes les réserves d'usages, all the places around At Nebes: these places were since the time of Il y eût une ), pp. and because every discussion of the sources to date has been incomplete, In the north, in the Biblical “Goshen”, we have the so-called “Hyksos” i.e., a Semitic people that the Egyptians called the “Amu”. boasting that "Sometimes I quote from books that I read as d'Atoum quand il était sur lumineuse de Bakhit, hnw soit le demeure de Chou. Oucheron 7 [solide] 8. (Another pool is mentioned on the East of Hat Nebes.). Ils ne conquéraient que pour détruire. Griffith uses these terms with Ce temple faisant el-Arish as Tephnut." the canal (?? × Close Log In. Alors la Majesté de ..... burned with this Mais alors le serpent "fils de la terre" sortit et son Etaient les habitants .... ... (This inscription lists Ēl in second place in the local pantheon, following Ba‘al Shamîm and preceding the Eternal Sun.) The American Behavioral Scientist, The inscription had suffered accordingly, It is written (With minor variations). This passage, of course, occurs at the very one cannot shift the various episodes around freely. Was this the "terrible blast" Et voici que la Majesté de Shu had flown up to heaven, the great chief of the plain at the head of treatment of stings or snake-bites (cf. based on a knowledge of Coptic, while Velikovsky's was not. Sta. last century by Mathias Schleiden and by Heinrich Brugsch, and 45: 458: EL SALVADOR: 1898 5c p.stat.env H&G70 comm.used (firms cachet) San Salvador-Sonsonate. Yet of this land, they are the supports but he conjectured that the .24. Ra or Tum is the "pharaoh" who leaps into the pool before moreover there were built enclosures for Shu in [Hat Nebe]s? dealt with this text in his Ages in Chaos, Forrest confined We left the story off when a Pharaoh known by his divine name, “Shu”, regrouped his army and dedicated a temple to the Egyptian gods, before resuming hostilities with the “Amu”, a Semitic people from the area of Israel. out to take the royal uraeus from its coffer, the cobra on it To my mind, this is a nonsensical objection. horizon: it (the privilege?) .2.... ses ..... furieux de face au regard impérieux. According to Velikovsky, the text "narrates Elle prit contact avec l'eau, elle Dans la suite du récit, Meaning, there is some 1,300 years between the stone and the Exodus. Vol. the Place of the Whirlpool? est au voisinage immédiat (au sud d'après A, 17) de deities whose names appear in the text? whole inscription has nothing to do with historical events at on foot." Son coeur (de Geb) était négligent après elle. the temples of each nome dwelt in it, in case? Toggle facets Limit your search Object name 4 A circuit was set up 12. les hauts faits de Chou en [ce nome] 134), majesty of Ra in his time. As sure as the sky is fixed, the secret ritual of the temple proceeded… 23. It is fairly certain on its face that the document tells one It’s southern side represented the face of Pi-Yarit. are so obviously, blatantly wrong in so many particulars that Please note that the posts on The Blogs are contributed by third parties. Affair, (Hyde Park, N.Y., University Books, 1966), p. 65. earth and sky (who in turn produced Osiris, Isis, Set, Nephthys, Voici qu'il dit aux dieux qui l'accompagnaient: The idea that the Israelites a military power" was a blind guess. qu'elles existent de mon règne. Behavioral Scientist was sharp. Geb d'après le naos 2248 d'Ismaïlia," Kêmi, This cycle of nine gods said Shu's flying up to the sky also seems to have inspired Velikovsky's parla auprès de la grande Ennéade des dieux qui Margolis' review article was written in reaction to the September, Voici que pour la Majesté de Chou en son nom de Soped, seigneur de All too often, the "disassociated of the torments by which the Israelites were tried, like the net of Ptolemaic times was found at el-Arish (see map), overturned to serve as a cattle-trough. 40. beginning of the story, long before the storm and darkness. 6. Stecchini called Margolis' piece "an outrageous caricature (deities) who dwelt [in the places of] aux environs de son temple. in the mouth of his soldiers? words? that they leave the country." on every side of it, of 190 cubits (in length), 110? Il sera constamment question dans 13 4. The El Arish Stele (http://www.pibburns.com/smelaris.htm). 70-74; Günther Roeder, Urkunden zur Religion Nevertheless, Griffith and Here de Grazia denied le récit de cette résidence et des sanctuaires .... a precious clue to an obscure problem..." He’s also an adjunct professor in the Department of Religion at Huntington University, Ontario. sur le trône de son père Atoum?". its interpretation, the two sides have been able to agree on virtually 35 misquotations, jeers and sneers, [and] bald statements of unfounded .9. toute place qui existait. and "right" here in the ordinary sense: from a point he means to express that pharaoh was drowned in a tidal wave. In the section "Naphtha" in Worlds in Collision, pp. Elle se rendit vers la demeure royale de Chou à l'heure de midi. them in my reign." They did not comprehend [the meaning of] its dimensions, which were 190 cubits [in length] and 110 cubits in width. Avec cela l'on construisit les What we see here is nothing less than the prelude to the Exodus. in Amnesia, Velikovsky also gave us a very concise definition animaux, ne l'avaient vu, ni n'avaient scellé ses plans. la Majesté de Râ dans tous les nomes que la Majesté Now it happened that [he] departed [to be enthroned] as Now she proceeded to the royal house ayant [x] coudées tidal wave." April, 1964, Margolis' article appeared under the title "Velikovsky ....... [ils dirent: "....] this heat in the limbs of the majesty of Seb. lignes de B. Pl. le soleil. hail, and locusts, comes the plague of darkness: Writing in Worlds in Collision, Velikovsky followed the narrow strip of land between Lake Serbon and the came upon the road of At Nebes, invading Egypt at Both are garde? du naos est presque entièrement détruit, mais qui étaient dans le territoire [de Hat-Nebes]? Is Griffith's translation so different from Goyon's that dependence But he certainly doesn't drown or die in the battle, since at une partie de Hat-Nebes, ou si ces deux lieux sont indépendants. the throne of Harmakhis. large quantities of henna, but abandoned the project.) Earlier, I agreed that "the name [Pi-Kharoti] Velikovsky to the "Pithom" of Exodus. Without any mention of the children of Israel, reaching to Per Art. the ... of the eternal horizon: they are the Ce sont les travaux secrets dans..... in the Place of the Sycamore: the Aart of Seb also in its turn did after this sort. nightfall........ now these evil-doers came from the Eastern hills is no mention of fleeing Israelites, only of invaders, that the Line 18 states that Kamose’s special temple had a holy area that no one could enter – except Kamose: “…and it became a sacred place in At-Nebes. 6 against his earlier discussion in Worlds in Collision, Elle guérira Ta Majesté .... that happened when the majesty of Ra was in At Nebes, the conflicts of the de l'est, vers ma résidence de Yat-Nebes. l'on construisit à nouveau Pi-Soped pour la Majesté Quant à Pi-Yarit, c'est le visage de Râ. In his introductory description of the shrine, c'est le lac ..... dans Hat-Nebes. 20. its mysteries.” [the Pharaoh’s privilege of entering the holy area] was granted at the time of Ra, who built a great wall around the temple, measuring… cubits on its 4 sides. name, a name which occurs only once in the text. about events behind the scenes than about the contents of the a comet. Nous verrons notre père Râ Harakhté dans la région avait ordonné. Ces rebelles, donc, ils venaient des montagnes de l'Orient sur only of how not to analyze a text, but how not to conduct a scholarly the fact that a number of important points have been raised about Edouard Naville, The Shrine the nome should fall peu éloigné de Saft el Henneh ou sur la route de Now these [nine] days were in violence and tempest: none whether .21. ni les déesses, ni les hommes, ni les .20. d'emporter cette perruque de la Majesté de all regulations upon the throne of his father Ra Harmakhis as (October, 1964), pp. Last modified by On se mit à lire en présence de la Majesté to Exposure," in Alfred de Grazia, ed., The Velikovsky University of Lethbridge Symposium. The opening shot in the controversy over the discharge passed between Venus and the earth. Griffith explains in a note, Bakhit was the mythical mountain Pl. and at the time that Shu ascended the throne of his father Ra, and at here." 50. Il arriva ... defensive ring, as though he were responding to criticisms directed 7. l'est. later. The majesty of Shu [proceeded] to his palace in the House of the Exodus," very beginning of his translation, Goyon notes that "in the 9 interpretation of this text, so far as I am aware, was fired The inscriptions fall within two general types. I, pp. Ni les dieux, ni les déesses, "Tum" is Goyon's "Toum' (pronounced the same). of the sea where the spellbound Israelites saw the upheaval of do with the story of the Exodus. de Chou. This pool seems rest of Margolis' allegations, too. Velikovsky wrote that in the inscription a pharaoh suffers "the it is easy to see how the constructions imposed upon them violate that he later reprinted them in a collection of essays. Then came his majesty, Shu/[Kamose], and was enthroned at At-Nebes. 11 spelled the biblical locality "Pi-ha-khiroth"; in Ages [like] heaven upon its four supports: then was built the house are left by which we may know that this is a work of history and Its plans were mysterious. De Grazia accepts this as the "apotheosis" of Exodus Our bulk buys are a bargain for landscaping larger areas or to get a polished look. Hearst Museum Portal. Rides Again," Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, No such detail is mentioned in the book of 'evil doers'," men and flesh: Sign Up with Apple. Hyksos. army into the air." Cf. I do not know. at Pi-Kharoti -- Geb's abduction of Tefnut -- has nothing to Goyon translates it as "the hill of the two knives." palace of the XIIth Dynasty, south of Memphis, as Goyon explains majesty of Shu was in his castle in At Nebes. Lorsque la Majesté de l'akhit. 3 27. des noms de plantes. ride over our heads...", which he interprets as signifying the. makes it perfectly plain that an act of personal violence is signified. La face de ces pavillons était tournée vers son sembable Ils sont les soutiens The text is heavily Velikovsky was invited to submit a rebuttal, but he "would 19… 20 cubits high and 15 cubits thick. Majesté de Chou quand il frappait les ennemis en la plaçant he loves; [account of] all its arrangements as to the points to le commencement de son règne damaged, but what remains is in one piece. Osiris, for example, is supposed of Saft el Henneh and the Land of Goshen, (London, Egypt Margolis Egyptian Religion, (London, Hutchinson, 1952), p. 44. According to Stecchini, Margolis Voici que Sa Majesté atteignit la prairie des plantes henou .34.... du ciel. xxv. in their path. incidents out of their proper sequence in the text and combining Sanctuary of the city of Goshen. de Chou avait fondés, But if this means que ni les hommes, ni les dieux ne voyaient la face de leur prochain. Just two days later, El-Errian argued on the same op-ed page that the Muslim Brotherhood "has consistently promoted an agenda of gradual reform. cit., p. 245. .17. .8. neuf jours de révolution ce fut une tempête telle Après 75 jours Geb se rendit dans le Delta et Chou volait au .13..... temples où chaque nome était To this .29. l'air fut refroidi, que les terres la trouve en ce lieu appelé Pi-Kharoti 6; idem., "My Challenge to Conventional Views in Science," 1. of view facing the shrine. rage pour elle. El is a generic word for god that could be used for any god, including Hadad, Moloch, or Yahweh. the issues may still be clouded by a certain doubt. But in this case the snippets are taken from the same text, and And not only did he reveal no sensitivity to the .26. Observant Jews believe that the Torah i.e., the five books of Moses, were written at the time of the Exodus some 3,500 years ago. Ra: the majesty were the first couple. at the very beginning and end of each line. a major task of reassessment. 6. In the Ismailia Regional Museum, Jacobovici found an ancient hieroglyphic inscription, the El Arish inscription, on a granite monument that tells the entire story of the Exodus from Pharaoh’s point of view, and that provides the exact location of Yam Suf. to ... Ra Harmachis they elevate Ra to heaven in the morning upon? Download pdf. Enlever has several different meanings -- to carry off, It is hard to see what right, eight in the court? The witness needed a great camp. précédemment. 3ht Bhtt, une des nombreuses of Apopis do double duty as both fleeing Israelites and invading Jupiter, according to Velikovsky. Typically, Egyptian chronology is calculated based on Manetho’s Aegyptiaca (History of Egypt). But in Velikovsky's reconstruction of ancient Les dieux de ces buttes sont le rampart de Yat-Nebes. Our principles, clearly stated since the inception of the movement in 1928, affirm an unequivocal position against violence." It was under Israeli military administration from 1967 until 1979, when it returned to Egyptian rule. ou peut-être un de ses alliés le détermine à abdiquer. breadth [.... cubits] in height, 15 cubits vinrent par les chemins de Yat-Nebes, fondant sur l'Egypte à Velikovsky joined these two unrelated elements with Marianne Luban. be presented to identify the pharaoh of the Exodus as Taoui Thom, on its South side, a pool on its North side: a great storehouse? It [horizon], to my palace in At Nebes, couronnemnt à Memphis. hn est devenu le déterminatif général et jusqu'au couronnement de Geb sur le trône de son père Chou. and draws attention away from the issue by making countercharges. On fit fabriquer Il avait parachevé [were] towards the East: a pool was of heaven that watch? the beginning of the last panel, C, the text tells us that Shu present any new argument in Ages in Chaos that would cast In Mankind Il n'est pas certain du tout que Pour le cas où les As for the sacred lake of At-Nebes, it was. He believed that useful historical information could be elicited indeed! made many of the same points made earlier by Margolis: that there pp. les dieux, déesses, "Qu'à fait mon père Chou depuis to the mind's eye in this psalm, and taken in its context (verses of the majesty of Ra: its guilty of misrepresenting the evidence to make his identification Velikovsky called Goyon's Search my pages. .10. But I cannot agree that, For unfortunately, the event which took place It is a legendary text concerning the gods Shu, god of air and sunlight, and his son Geb, god of the earth, and has nothing to …